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Further on in chapter 2 it discusses that Adeimantus is playing the devil's advocate just like his brother, by stating the reasons why injustice so often appears to be better than justice. He brings up the following points: that the children are poorly taught by parents and educators and also they are poorly represented in poetry and literature. It is said that justice is poorly taught by the parents because even though they tell their children to be just, they defend it only in terms of the good things. Also justice is poorly represented in literature because poets are always complaining about the problems and tribulations of living a just and virtuous life. While on the other hand they are also telling stories about villains who do well and end up unpunished. In fact, many poets even represent the gods themselves …show more content…
He then comes up with a solution "If we should watch a city coming into being in speech,” I said, “would we also see its justice coming into being, and its injustice?" (369a). They are going to attempt to make their own city, one with a farmer, builder, weaver, and so on. It is here were we see Socrates Adeimantus where justice fits into the city. He replies that it will come when the people interact and start to relate to one another. The men start to paint a picture of how the city will run. They say as the city begins to flourish more and more people begin to come. As more people are coming to the city it is becoming to crowded ,because of overpopulation the city will need to expand, and just how will they get this land? They will cease the land by force with the army they have now added to their city. The the men come up with the most important question who will make the laws and rule the city. Socrates says the guardians will rule. With this ruling they come up with many different attributes that the guardians must

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