In this essay I will explain the concept of the holiness emerges and why it takes a prominent position in the conversation between Socrates and Euthyphro. I will also explain the three definitions that Euthyphro uses in his response to Socrates and then present Socrates’s refutation of each of Euthyphro definitions. Also this essay will test my ability to develop my own argument as to what I think Socrates’s goal is in this dialogue. How do you know that is his goal? What features of the dialogue align his goals? I will also give own definition of piety/holiness and then take on the role of Socrates and respond to my own definition as I think he would. Plato conversation set close to the king Archon court were Socrates and Euthrophy cross words. The conversation surround Socrates trying to understand the concept of how gods see piety and impious in mankind. The debate between Socrates and Euthrophy is that Socrates wants a new form of definition for pious and impious needs to man needs to be judge by man not from god’s justice. The concept of holiness explain how to be devout religiously not the act of being love. The conversation emphasize the true meaning of piety and impiety, and important conversation between Socrates and Euthrophy took place because Socrates does not believe in tales mythology and Socrates would like a more reasonable answer to all his questions. At the end of the conversation both Socrates and Euthrypho concluded that holiness as something love by Gods because of stated of being holy First Euthrophy defines holiness as what is he doing as prosecuting his father is essential because it has incurred the religious principles. But Socrates rejects this definition as it was just an example of piety and it was not sufficient to reveal the foundational attributes of piety (Plato, 2013). Euthyphro’s second attend to define piety there is no different of opinion, either among gods or men, as to the propriety of pushing a murderer. Socrates rejects when they know him to be a murderer; but you are assuming the point at issue (Plato, 2013).
Euthypro’s third attend to define holiness explains that simply that piety meaning is to please the gods in word and deed, by prayers and sacrifices. Socrates rejects the definition because piety is a science asking and giving—what we want and giving what they want; in a short, a mode of doing business between god and men (Plato, 2013). What Socrates has shown is that Euthyphro has failed to explains what pious is, what it is that the gods love and why they love it. Indeed it is not clear where Euthyphro understand why anything happens or how anything works. Socrates is goal in the way Euthyphro is set up. There is a clear touch of dryness in the way Socrates compliments Euthyphro's knowledge of great man and asks to be teach by him. He actually know he will not learn from Euthyphro, but hopes to lead Euthyphro to bring him me out, and show him the false reality his has being living in. Socrates' method is not to tell Euthyphro that he is wrong in stating that he is a knowledgeable on religious matters, but instated would rather test him by questioning (Plato, 2013). By Socrates’s asking Euthyphro the definition of holy, Socrates was able to understand that Euthyphro has no understanding at all. In conclusion to me piety is to me is worshiping God to the best you can. Since, I really have no idea i what God wants, a truly blessed person chooses to trust in what he really believe in order to get close to gods. Either way piety becomes can sometime become a lie, just because religious is not always taught correctly. Socrates’s would define that is correct, that how can us certain what really God needs from us, Since churches don’t let us explore gods religious bibles and don’t let the public heard the true about God needs and wants.
Reference
Plato, & Jowett, B. (n.d.). Euthyphro. Project Gutenberg. Retrieved from http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1642 Mosser, K. (2010). A concise introduction to philosophy. San Diego, CA: Bridgepoint Education, Inc. https://content.ashford.edu/books/AUPHI208.11.1
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